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Old 10-22-2015, 08:39 PM
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I don't mean to sidetrack, but am I right in thinking that the pegging of the EGT at 700C is due to defueling or was it a simple coincidence?

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Actually defueling starts just above 700C, so your results are looking legit.

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Stage 2 almost completed with 400+hp and 520+tq. X5 is a beast, I am almost scared to drive it
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Awesome! Have you done any MPG comparisons, has it increased or decreased with the tunes?
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Old 10-23-2015, 01:38 PM
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I can say the MPG will remain unchanged under normal driving conditions. Mine has gone a bit down, but I am a fairly aggressive driver and having more power on tap makes it even worse.
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What is the complete list of upgrades that you have completed to achieve "Stage 2?" What are the concerns if you live somewhere where removing DPF/SCR is not possible. If this was discussed, I didn't see it.
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Old 10-26-2015, 02:16 PM
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The idea of "TRF Stage 1" is for the engine to remain as close to stock as possible, bumping the power while improving the torque curve over stock significantly. Even though the absolute numbers are not huge, the change is impressive. In the finalized and extensively tested variant the changes dont cause problems with the engine and mostly DPF and the regeneration. All engine's fail safes and monitoring is unchanged and even if a problem occurs the DDE will take action or trigger a code. In other words, one will be able to give the X5 to his wife or daughter for a long time and be sure nothing bad will happen because of the tune. We will probably offer "TRF Stage 1.5" where there will be more power added, but some caution has to be exercised. If you race from light to light at full tilt every day and drive the car on a short distances some regeneration problems may occur. Many owners dont know, but there are 2 types of DPF regeneration-active and passive. Active is the one triggered by the DDE when certain conditions are met. Passive is when the engine has been at partial or full load for a prolonged period and the temp in the DPF rises enough so that the soot will start to burn. Just an interesting fact is that the Le Mans winning Audi diesels dont use active regeneration, only passive.
"TRF Stage 2" is all Stage 1 isnt. Generally it is ALL OFF. SCR doesnt have to be removed, it can remain and in working condition. Main idea behind removing the DPF is removing the backpressure behind the turbos. This completely changes the character of the engine and brings it very close to a gas engine. As a matter of fact, it is now pulling very hard to 4600 RPM and if we can delay the upshifts with another 500-600 RPM it will still be strong. But this power level will not be possible at all with all emission stuff still installed. If pushed too much, problems with the DPF will occur very soon. I was thinking about an exhaust cutoff but everything is very crammed down there. Perhaps some kind of internal bypass tube cam be constructed with an electric actuator. Or one can just empty the DPF and leave it installed, this is what I did with a flooded DPF I had laying around.
Removing the EGR is not required, but at the rate they crack and the price it will be economically sensible to remove it or just leave it there, but close the exhaust side.
Most limiters were changed and some tables re-calibrated for stage 2, but the most important tables for the torque calculation and injection quantity/times were not recalibrated. In our modern DDEs all internal calculations are based on air and fuel per stroke. According to the internal calculations, in stage 2 we have over 720nm at 2200-4000 RPM (around 540 ft/lbs) and over 430hp at 4200 RPM. It feels we are starting to reach some limits of the fuel system when we try to push even more, so probably it will be finalized at 420HP/520TQ. We plan to have it tested for a few months on 2 cars and release it sometimes next year.

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The Mustang dynos are pretty accurate, but it is what it is. Stock it pulled out something in the vicinity of 220whp/360wtq. 18-20 % are a good guess for the drivetrain and tire friction loss.
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What are 0-60 for Stage1 and Stage2? I know they don't matter much, but can't help being curious..
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What are 0-60 for Stage1 and Stage2? I know they don't matter much, but can't help being curious..
Unortunately we didnt clock the stock and Stage 1. Stage 2 in 80F weather,hot engine, slight uphill and 3 people in the car clocked just a tad over 6 seconds. This is with slight brake-boosting, around 1200 RPM. I am sure I will get it to 5.5 when the time comes. Of course the X5 sucks big time to 30-50 mph. I found as amazing 30-85 mph pulls on 3rd gear and will take some videos soon.
P.S. Looks like advertised time for stock X5 35D is 6.9 secs 0-60.

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@bawareca -- Thanks for the quick detailed response
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@bawareca -- Thanks for the quick detailed response
You are welcome.
Here is a short video for some viewing pleasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H020...ature=youtu.be

It cannot be timed precisely because the car was rolling a bit before I let off the brakes, but looks right under 6sec 0-60.
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Stage 2 looks exciting.
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